Tuesday, October 06, 2026

Wisdom, or foolishness, in the law?

 With regards to the furor over an incident at Cornell where a young coed had "relations" with seven young men while all were highly intoxicated, this Powerline blurb notes that under New York law, voluntary intoxication does not render someone unable to grant consent.

Now this sounds appalling, well...at least to those of us who have never gotten intoxicated to "get up the nerve" to sleep with someone, and...maybe it is indeed the case that a certain portion of sexual assault allegations are indeed....simply people getting intoxicated to get the nerve to do something they otherwise would not have done.  The apparent discrepancy between rape rates in anonymous surveys and as reported to police might flow in part from this, and this would also explain the fact that about two thirds of sexual assaults noted on those anonymous surveys involve intoxicated people.

Now what is the proper approach in the law?  I'm not sure. Do I want justice for people who are truly victimized while they are intoxicated?  Absolutely.  Do I know that if a person was drunk at the time, he's going to have suspect memory, and isn't going to be a very good witness?  Absolutely.  

So I wonder if New York's approach is the right one because it tells all participants that things can really go wrong.  Want to have sex with a stranger while drunk?  Not only are you risking STDs and unwanted attachments, but if the other person persuades the police that your apparent assent was not real, you get to watch your money disappear by the billable hour.

It's not a perfect system--no system where you're depending on the memories of people who were intoxicated can be anywhere close--but perhaps it has something to say for it.

In related news, the newspaper of record has come up with a foolproof way to avoid being arrested for rape at a ketamine-fueled orgy: don't go to ketamine-fueled orgies.  Sounds like someone needs a Nobel Prize for that one.

4 comments:

Hearth said...

I will say that I found the mention of only a few bruises after seven hours with seven men odd. The pictures from October 7 tell us what it could have looked like....

Bike Bubba said...

Evidently most sexual assaults don't leave a whole lot of bruises and cuts, so that's not entirely implausible to me--though I confess that thankfully, I don't have any real experience with victims. Plus, even if entirely consensual, I'd not be surprised if having sex while stoned out of one's mind left bruises through sheer clumsiness.

My overall take is if I were a prosecutor, I'd hate cases where every witness was at .2% or higher BAC.

Bike Bubba said...

Oops, I should say that thankfully, I don't have any experience with the wounds sexual assault victims experience, apart from the October 7 pictures you mention and things like that. I have talked with a number of sexual assault victims...sometimes I'm astounded that they trusted me enough to let me know.

Hearth said...

I have too many friends with first hand experience. I think being a woman ... the Oct 7 images are nightmare fodder. Seven hours? -shudders-