Wednesday, October 20, 2010

Side track; thoughts on the Landmark and KJV only movement

Two recurring themes in fundamental Baptist thought are the idea of Landmarkism/Trail of Blood and the idea that the church ought to prefer the KJV above other translations, or even to ban the use of other translations altogether.  Interestingly, they are linked by a most unlikely (at least to those in these movements) document; Jerome's Vulgate, the Bible in Latin.

First, here's a primer on the "Trail of Blood" from a source that fully endorses it.  If you read it carefully, you'll find that the claim that there were "always Baptists" really rests, as far as I can tell, on three (likely suspect) quotes of Newton, Mosheim, and Hosius on page 4--and none of them are primary sources, all of them being born after the Fall of Constantinople.  Were I a lawyer, I'd not like to rest my case on this evidence! 

More or less, it appears that the "Trail of Blood" is simply a way of trying to establish that Baptist theology is ancient--under the idea that if it's old, it's right, just like the theories of luminiferous aether, caloric, and Aristotelian physics are better than the work of Einstein, Rumford, and Newton because they are older, too.  (yet another reason why you should learn logic and teach it to your children)

Let us now consider the Vulgate.  The significance of this is that Europe was largely illiterate in the Dark and Middle Ages, and the only Bible the few literate people had would have been the Vulgate.  Love it or hate it, it is what they had, and here's how they translated the Greek word "baptizo."

"Baptizo"  with Latin conjugations.  In other words, a Greek word with a primary meaning of "immerse" (and numerous related meanings) was replaced--as in the KJV--with a transliterated word referring only to the ordinance of baptism. 

Now consider; how are you going to figure out that the Bible tells you to immerse if it doesn't use that word, and you neither know Greek nor have access to Greek manuscripts?  It is possible one might infer it from the Baptism of John, but doubtful--our paedobaptist friends have numerous explanations for that passage.

So we see that unless somehow the knowledge of Greek penetrated these churches, it is extremely doubtful that they would have become Baptists.  Interestingly, most Landmark Baptists will insist on the KJV, which of course....

...makes the same translation choice, or "error" if you will, as the Vulgate.

I treasure authentic fundamentalism, and I treasure authentic Baptist distinctives.  However, holding to theories in the face of a lack of evidence and a Bible translation most Protestants abhorred until the 18th century (it had the apocrypha until then) seems like an odd way to hold to what truly distinguishes Baptists.

7 comments:

Jim Peet said...

My early Baptist thought (as taught by my Pastor at the time) was the Trail of Blood view (along with a nice little booklet he gave me!).

It wasn't until I went to Seminary school that that issue was resolved (by my Church History professor)

Bike Bubba said...

I hadn't seen it until a few years ago, when a church in Chaska dechartered and rechartered itself to get under the "right" headship. I also saw a few interesting booklets.

(along those lines, I'm starting to get suspicious when I'm handed a booklet instead of a book when someone pushes a theological idea on me.....)

Would be interesting to hear how your professor dealt with it. My thought was at first that it's improbable that unbiased records would clearly attest to this, and that it would have theological significance. And then I had the thought about the Vulgate, which woudl seem to be even more emphatic.

Gino said...

The Church deems the vulgate as the only error-free translation of scripture.

but even this has to be understood in the context of what the Church means when they say 'with out error.'

guess i'll have to look up that trail of blood thing.
but the idea that there have always been baptists rings kinda nothing.
there has always been heresy, as well.
does this make the JW's correct because there have always been those who denied the deity of Christ? (i think it was the nestorian heresy.)

Bike Bubba said...

Gino; that's the "Arian" heresy of the JWs, and yes, the "Trail of Blood" and Landmarkism is the Baptist equivalent, roughly speaking, of the Papacy and apostolic succession.

OK for the Catholics to have this, as they affirm Bible + tradition, and faith + works. Much more problematic in Baptist circles, as we of course affirm sola Scriptura and sola fide--and landmarks don't appear in the Scriptures.

Gino said...

yeah, thats it. i need to get my heresies back in order.

but its not just Scripture+ Tradition. Magisterium is also part of the equation.

the arians, and the others, were put down not because they lost the debate on scripture, but because the Magisterium declared.

that is the true importance of apostolic sucession: the faith that those in positions to speak Truth will have the protection of the Holy Spirit when doing so.

i find it amazing that the east and the west churches, after 1000yrs of not speaking to each other, have not uttered a doctrinal Truth that contradicts the other.
i attribute it to the Holy Spirit, and came to the conclusion that both are correct though ubderstandings may be different, telling me that there is still more for us to know and understand until these two reconcile.

Bike Bubba said...

Wait a second; the eastern church left the Roman in the Great Schism over the wording of the Nicene Creed.....and there are any number of other issues, like the structure of the episcopacy, which separate them.

Gino said...

that would be the 'Filioque' clause of the western churches.
(western also includes all of protestantism/baptists/fundies...)
deemed heresy when translated to greek, but not heresy when spoken in latin, so the greeks (east) refused to accept it (within their rights to do so).

although if spoken in greek within the latin context (meaning) there is no heresy.
in other words, it comes down to 'what do you mean by that?' as opposed to 'what did you just say?'
no, they didnt split over that. the schism wasnt to happen for another 600yrs.

just like the civil war of the usa was rooted in many things extending way back to the founding, the schism was rooted much the same way.

it wasnt one thing that led to the final split, as it was already seemingly headed that way.

but so much of it had to do with different languages and different thought patterns that drive east or west scholars.

the real differences that perpetuate the schism today are the realm of scholars, nit-picky words that 99.9% of beleivers dont use, know, or understand, and if explained would just confuse them.
that, and pride. (something both sides can accuse the other of and not be inaccurate).

anything else different is just style, not substance.

there have been priests (of both sides) who 'converted' to the other side. but even conversion is not a proper word for it, becuase they already beleive the same things. in such cases, all that is needed to complete the conversion is the permision of the bishop to act under his authority.

there is no other additional religious education required, and no ordination, that is how close the two sides really are.